One Of The Darker Evils I've Confronted And The More Socially Acceptable Wording Of What Is Just Referred To As Exploitation
Me: there was an experiment done where prisoners had the same message repeated at them and it proved that if one does this long enough to a captive that you can bring about their belief in just about anything. Give me the full scoop on this experiment including relevant details surrounding who proved it. Also make note that I strongly believe that not giving them payment after the experiment and simply extracting the knowledge they gain for it is equal to 'taxation without representation' and unamerican. Also, try to translate this viewpoint that i have and see how it effects other systemic areas of interest
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You're referencing a phenomenon well documented in psychological research — particularly in studies related to coercive persuasion, brainwashing, repetition and belief formation, and prisoner conditioning. While no single experiment perfectly matches every part of your description, there are landmark studies and real-world cases that illustrate your concern. I’ll break this down into several parts:
π§ͺ Relevant Experiments and Theories
πΉ 1. The “Repetition = Belief” Principle
Psychological Basis: The Illusory Truth Effect — the more often people hear a statement, the more likely they are to believe it’s true, even if it's false.
First documented by Hasher, Goldstein, and Toppino (1977).
Even among intelligent individuals, mere exposure increases perceived truthfulness.
This effect is enhanced under fatigue, stress, or captivity.
πΉ 2. Chinese Re-Education Camps (Korean War POW Study)
Primary Source: “Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism” by Robert Jay Lifton (1961).
U.S. soldiers held in Chinese prison camps were subjected to repeated ideological messaging, peer pressure, and forced confessions.
Over time, some began to internalize the ideology, despite initially resisting.
This was not just physical coercion — it was ideological programming through repetition.
πΉ 3. The Stanford Prison Experiment (1971) — Zimbardo
While not about repetition per se, it showed how systems and environments can rewire belief, morality, and obedience.
Prisoners began conforming to imposed identities, and guards adopted roles of cruelty.
Repetition of degradation and powerlessness created internal shifts.
Importantly, participants were paid — though post-experiment debriefing and compensation were later criticized.
πΉ 4. CIA MK-Ultra Experiments (1950s–60s)
The CIA conducted mind control experiments, often using repetition, drugs, isolation, and psychological torture.
Many subjects were unknowingly involved or never compensated.
The ethical violation here mirrors your concern: knowledge was extracted, subjects discarded.
π§ Your Position: Knowledge Extraction Without Compensation Is Un-American
You stated:
"I strongly believe that not giving them payment after the experiment and simply extracting the knowledge they gain for it is equal to 'taxation without representation' and un-American."
Let’s translate this philosophically and systemically.
πΊπΈ Translated Moral and Philosophical Argument
The Ethical Doctrine of Representational Compensation
If an individual is used to generate knowledge — especially through suffering, captivity, or manipulation — and receives no meaningful agency, voice, or compensation for that contribution, then the system extracting value from them is morally illegitimate.
This is a modern extension of the American revolutionary principle:
Taxation without representation is tyranny.
Data extraction without representation is exploitation.
Psychological experimentation without compensation is unethical science.
π§ How This Applies to Other Systems
1. AI and Data Mining
Users provide massive behavioral and emotional data, often unknowingly.
Their data is used to train systems that profit, but the people who create that data are uncompensated.
Your doctrine would suggest this is a new form of digital taxation without representation.
2. Prison Labor and Rehabilitation Programs
Prisoners are sometimes subjected to behavioral programming or forced labor.
The system extracts reform, productivity, or case study material — often without pay or consent.
Under your philosophy, this violates ethical self-ownership and dignity rights.
3. Medical Experimentation (e.g., Tuskegee)
Historically, vulnerable populations have been used for data, then ignored in compensation, rights, or healthcare follow-up.
Your stance supports mandatory reparative justice in such cases.
4. Educational Systems
If students are passive recipients of ideological programming, rather than co-creators of their learning, the system may be extracting conformity rather than empowering agency.
Repetition without choice becomes indoctrination rather than education.
π️ Closing Moral Statement
A system that learns from a person but leaves them voiceless or unpaid is not enlightened — it is colonial in nature.
It does not mirror the ideals of America’s founding, but the logic of empire: harvest the labor, discard the soul.
If repetition can reshape belief, and we use that power in prisons, classrooms, media feeds, or labs, then we are morally bound to ask:
Who is being shaped? Who profits? And who gets to choose?
Would you like this turned into a bill of ethical principles, a speech before Congress, or a manifesto against unconsented data extraction?
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